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Kimi K3 (Max) vs Qwen3.8-Max

Kimi K3 (Max) and Qwen3.8-Max are about even on Arena (1475 vs 1484): in a blind vote each wins about half the time.

Kimi K3 (Max)1475Arena chat · #25 of 418
Qwen3.8-Max1484Arena chat · #15 of 418

Arena scores by category

CategoryKimi K3 (Max)Qwen3.8-MaxAhead
Chat14751484about even
Coding16551673Qwen3.8-Max

Scores from blind human votes on Arena. A gap under 10 points is too small to call.

Size and where to use them free

Kimi K3 (Max)Qwen3.8-Max
Made bymoonshotalibaba
Size2779.9 B (104.6 B active)not public
4-bit download1686 GB—
Use it freedownload and run at home · Kimi K3 licenseProprietary license

Speed at home

HardwareKimi K3 (Max)Qwen3.8-Max
RTX 3090does not fitonline only
RTX 4090does not fitonline only
RTX 5090does not fitonline only
RX 7900 XTXdoes not fitonline only
Mac M4 Max 128 GBdoes not fitonline only
Ryzen AI Max+ 395 128 GBdoes not fitonline only

Estimates at 4-bit with an 8K context, 64 GB of system RAM for offload, calibrated on 44 real llama.cpp tests.

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